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[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[20:11]<@BC_Programming> Hey Calum
[20:11]<@Calum> hey BC_Programming
[20:12]<@BC_Programming> Good news, the motherboard FINALLY showed up yesterday
[20:12]<@Calum> wow, how long did that take?
[20:12]<@BC_Programming> A month plus 2 days
[20:12]<@BC_Programming> or 1 day, rather
[20:12]<@Calum> sheesh
[20:13]<@BC_Programming> Funny thing is that I decided I would put a 240GB SSD in it as well, Ordered that monday from Amazon; showed up the next day
[20:13]<@Calum> Sounds about right
[20:13]<@BC_Programming> so the SSD I ordered on Monday arrived before stuff I ordered a month ago, lol
[20:14]<@BC_Programming> Built it of course, I think it is a bit better than my old desktop actually, though not sure how much of that is from the SSD
[20:15]<@Calum> Potentially quite a lot. Not to "do a Dave" but I upgraded a friend of the family's P4 PC with an SSD and it was still night and day even on such an old machine
[20:15]<@BC_Programming> Yeah I'm trying to remember how fast my old desktop was with an SSD
[20:18]<@BC_Programming> Q8200@2.33Ghz versus AMD 5350@2.0Ghz, I probably should have run some benchmarks to compare
[20:19]<@Calum> Probably quite close I'd imagine, suppose the AMD will probably be more efficient though
[20:19]<@BC_Programming> it runs a lot cooler, around 25(c) in hwmonitor
[20:23]<@Calum> Nice
[20:24]<@Calum> Oh, so I handed in my notice as I got my new job :D not sure if I mentioned it but even if I did, I'll say it again hah
[20:24]<@BC_Programming> Nope never heard, that's cool
[20:25]<@BC_Programming> shame to see the fun stories of workplace stupidity will hopefully decline
[20:25]<@Calum> Hah, well, I could write an entire book on it so far, so I think I'm set for life with stories to pull out if I want to - whether that's a good thing, I don't know
[20:26]<@Calum> I still think our "sysadmin" claiming he wrote Event Viewer in XLM is likely to top any possible story though
[20:26]<@BC_Programming> haha that's good
[20:27]<@Calum> It's the way he proudly unveiled it to us both, like "look what I did" expecting us to be impressed
[20:30]<@Calum> The meltdown as the IT manager slowly realises that >50% staff turnover inside 6 months isn't sustainable is quite entertaining
[20:31]<@Calum> the best he could muster when we had a team meeting of sorts to discuss me handing over workload etc was "it's a bit annoying that Calum's leaving"
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[20:31]<@BC_Programming> heh
[20:31]<@BC_Programming> "How dare he!"
[20:31]<@Calum> I pointed out that he advised me to do so
[20:32]<@Calum> I'm not saying I'm spending my remaining time there being a bit difficult, or totally honest and more outspoken depending how you look at it, but.....
[20:34]<Veltas> So this mobo: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00019945&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=uk&dlc=en&lc=en&product=374767
[20:34]<Veltas> "maximum memory" refers to overall rather than per-slot, right?
[20:35]<@BC_Programming> could mean either, 2GB seems about right for standard DDR.
[20:35]<@BC_Programming> (DDR1?)
[20:35]<Veltas> Hmmm
[20:36]<@BC_Programming> Though I had a Dell Dimension 4400 which claimed to have a max of 1GB but allegedly there were people able to put 2GB in it, so I don't know
[20:37]<@Calum> They might have only tested it with 1GB and never updated their documentation to say 2GB was usable
[20:37]<Veltas> I mean, these are the mobo specs, you'd assume the mobo people would be able to outright tell them what it supports
[20:37]<@BC_Programming> Yeah or it's possible at the time they had 2 slots and there were no DIMMs with more than 512MB
[20:37]<@Calum> Indeed
[20:38]<Veltas> I have been messing with a Pentium 2 and a Pentium 4 recently
[20:39]<Veltas> The Pentium 2 has been giving me trouble and I might cheat and upgrade the RAM
[20:39]<Veltas> The Pentium 4's only real drawback is the lack of RAM
[20:57]<@BC_Programming> I bought a Nintendo 64
[20:57]<Veltas> Games?
[20:58]<@BC_Programming> yes. iirc the listing came with Mario 64, Diddy Kong Racing, Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, and another one I've forgotten
[21:01]<@BC_Programming> Not sure if it has the Expansion pak, wasn't in the listing so thinking no, but I'm going to wait until it arrives before I buy one just in case it does
[21:03]<Veltas> I made a bugreport https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350299
[21:04]<@BC_Programming> but did you include a Pull Request?
[21:04]<Veltas> Nah
[21:04]<Veltas> I narrowed down the problem a lot, it seems like a typical boundary error or something
[21:05]<Veltas> I'm not learning the Kate build chain for something like that
[21:06]<@BC_Programming> yeah I know. Sometimes when you report a bug in OSS they'll tell you to issue a pull request which is dumb
[21:06]<@BC_Programming> "You should fix the bug you reported" No, I reported it. You can fix it
[21:07]<Veltas> Yeah for feature requests I'd consider it, but given the mistake is probable like one line and would be found approx. 100 times faster by someone who has a slight clue of what they're doing...
[21:07]<Veltas> Yeah some OSS people are like that
[21:07]<Veltas> I know someone who argued the toss with me about a certain feature, and then made me do a pull request so that they could reject it
[21:08]<@BC_Programming> "I don't like your variable names"
[21:09]<Veltas> No they actually just disagreed with the feature, they were just wasting my time and lording their ownership of the project over me
[21:09]<Veltas> I guess I could have forked it if I really cared
[21:09]<Veltas> And people think Linus is bad!
[21:12]<Veltas> Suggestions for tracking down some cheap PC2700 DDR?
[21:12]<Veltas> eBay has listings at £5.95
[21:13]<Veltas> (1GB i mean)
[21:13]<@BC_Programming> yeah ebay is likely the best you'll be able to do, it's too old to be bought new
[21:14]<Veltas> Depends how tryhard I'm being and how much I value my time. If I searched the local area on freecycle etc. I could find some computers that would have some form of 1GB DDR cards
[21:15]<Veltas> But I can't really be bothered, £12 isn't horrific
[21:15]<Veltas> Free delivery, est. 2 days
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[21:41]<Veltas> Now I'm tempted to try and find a decent AGP card for it, although IIRC the cool ones were ATI and that's a no-go
[21:50]<Veltas> I can buy the CPU in this machine for £2.90
[21:58]<Veltas> Seems like 2GB is a safe minimum these days (or 3GB if you're running Windows). Comfortable would be more like 8GB I guess. And then people always come up with excuses for 16-32GB
[21:58]<Veltas> I haven't thought of a good excuse to move from 8GB on my main machine yet
[21:58]<@BC_Programming> I have 32GB in this system. 16GB in my laptop
[21:59]<Veltas> Did you have an excuse? Or did you just fancy it? Not much reason not to, not exactly expensive.
[22:00]<@BC_Programming> I don't need an excuse
[22:00]<Veltas> Yeah I know you don't need an excuse
[22:01]<Veltas> Was just wondering if there was some reasoning, that's all
[22:01]<@BC_Programming> It's useful for VMs though I seldom have more than one running at once
[22:01]<@BC_Programming> I can give them 4GB without worrying about it though
[22:02]<@BC_Programming> It's my WD Red drive that I have their virtual HDDs on that seems to be the issue for Virtual Machines now
[22:02]<Veltas> What's the problem with those? Are they too slow or something?
[22:03]<@BC_Programming> no they are fast, just not fast enough
[22:03]<@BC_Programming> WD Red is like their most enterprisy NAS drive, but it's still a normal HDD and when it has to read 4GB+ from a suspended VM it takes a while
[22:04]<@BC_Programming> also for some reason it get's pegged at 100% usage for a long time which is concerning
[22:06]<Veltas> Yeah I have Reds in my PC for RAID 1. I can't remember my excuse for that one, though
[22:06]<@BC_Programming> You don't need an excuse either :P
[22:06]<@BC_Programming> That entire AMD computer I built I have no reason for
[22:06]<@BC_Programming> except to see what I can get with $350 I guess
[22:07]<Veltas> The Pentium 4 I'm using right now is for the very real reason that I am entertained by messing around with stuff
[22:07]<Veltas> Pentium 4 is a bit of a niche fetish though
[22:10]<Veltas> Ah yeah WD recommend Reds for RAID configs on their website
[22:10]<Veltas> Seems legit
[22:11]<@BC_Programming> I got a red because my computer is pretty much always on
[22:11]<@BC_Programming> and I went with WD because Seagate failed me with the 7200.11
[22:12]<@BC_Programming> And yet I subsequently also added a 3TB Seagate Drive as well, eh. no "excuse" for that one though I use it to offload crap from my other drives